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15 Jun 2019 13:24

I hope you will add more cities in Bosnia and Herzegovina, first of all the capital - Sarajevo, then Zenica, Tuzla, Mostar, Bihac.....

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15 Jun 2019 17:23

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29 Sep 2018 22:36
I get your point, but if the only reason you avoid these areas is the potential bad reactions from people, why not first try to get what the people really thinks about it, instead of making assumptions that could not be all true.

You could try making a poll , and doing the same in Facebook and any other media you have to reach the most people you can. If the result of that is good enough, like 80% or more, then you know it wouldn't be a really big deal.

A worser result would mean the community is not sure about what they want, or that a large part of it do not support the idea.In that case, you would end definitely and forever the discussion (at least until these territories are not disputed anymore).

Anyway, i think once Albania makes its way into Promods, the demand for Kosovo will fade out. So i think it is better to go that way, as i said before, Kosovo currently isnt worth building and focusing into the rest of the balkans seems like the right idea. I do not really care that much about Kosovo, because ProMods is still awesome with or without it. I just think that our community should leave all politics outside of the game, we are here because we enjoy playing ETS2, if someone really care that much about which country some territory belongs to in a map mod for a game, i think he doesnt really enjoy the game.
Republic of Kosovo is a perfect transit-country to Albania, instead of going around Macedonia. There are modern motorways aswell that have some amazing scenery

But since admins here are pro-Serbian, and hiding their pro-Serbian agenda behind the argument of "it will become riot" we won't be able to see the country.

Admins go by the blaming the victim - mentality, just because there will be som upset Serbs about adding Kosovo as an independent country such as it is in real life is not the fault of Kosovo to be the victim and left out, its the fault of people who will cry over a game and not updated with the reality that Kosovo is indeed an independent and sovereign country.

So leaving Kosovo out is a big deal and says a lot about the admins and their "neutral" stands.
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15 Jun 2019 17:29

Please stop talking about disputed areas like kosovo, otherwise this topic will get locked again and users that talked about it receive a warning
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15 Jun 2019 17:31

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29 Sep 2018 15:43
We've had someone riot just because some signs pointing in the direction of Kosovo have "KS" on them, just like they do in real life. And seeing how often this topic comes up on the forum, I don't think we overestimate the problem at all.
And therefore it should not be punishment for not including Kosovo, but the individuals who riot. By "listening" to this riots they won't stop, and they affect the game. If someone feels offended by the real life facts and over a game, its probably time they face the reality. Kosovo is and will be an independent state, and you should include it. I think there would be a small chunk of Serbs who will get angry and by the time calm down and return back to the game.
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15 Jun 2019 17:36

Errmmm....
Do you read what @Trucker2223 said?
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15 Jun 2019 17:48

It was after i posted my replies, sorry

But i still want their explanation and point stands
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15 Jun 2019 20:21

Here is a topic that explains it. viewtopic.php?p=192808#p192808 And ProMods are Pro-Mods not Pro-Serbia or Pro-Kosovo! If ProMods treats Kosovo as an independent country, Serbian players will be mad, and if they treat Kosovo as a part of Serbia, Albanian/Kosovar pepele will be mad.
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15 Jun 2019 20:31

I understand but doubt Serbs will be mad, I have Serb friends even though I'm from Kosovo they accept stuff as they are today.

Reality is that Kosovo is independent therefore its irrelevant how Serbs or other people feels about a real life fact.

I could also say I feel mad that Northern Ireland is not part of Ireland or Åland not part of Sweden or other regions who belonged to a country that doesn't today.

But doesn't justify to keep it out. Therefore I accused admins of being pro-Serbia. If they wouldn't then they would have not taken consideration of what some people might feel.
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15 Jun 2019 20:34

Let me keep this brief here.

We have made it clear on several occasions in this very topic that we don't take sides. We do not proliferate ourselves as either pro-Serbian or pro-Kosovo. You argue that by not making Kosovo, we appease the Serbians and are therefore pro-Serbian, but with the same facts you could argue that we are pro-Kosovo by recognising that this region is not really part of Serbia and that we avoid it, because we also mention that we don't want to make it as a part of Serbia either. Making Kosovo as its own state or making Kosovo as a part of Serbia would lead to the fury of either side.

But avoiding it? That only leads to mere disappointment. It's too bad, and we don't like that we have no other viable option than to avoid this region, but as long as the controversy remains, the only option for us is to do nothing and don't appease or upset either party. It's the least "bad" option of them all...

And let this be the end of it! We have repeated ourselves enough already on this matter. If the discussion continues, this topic will be locked again.


EDIT: The topic linked in the posts above is exactly the reason why we expect a backlash either way when we would build that region, regardless if we recognise it as Kosovo or not. We have reason to believe that it would get much worse if we did that, and we just don't want to invoke such drama...
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15 Jun 2019 20:35

PerrydPelle wrote:
15 Jun 2019 20:21
Here is a topic that explains it. viewtopic.php?p=192808#p192808 And ProMods are Pro-Mods not Pro-Serbia or Pro-Kosovo! If ProMods treats Kosovo as an independent country, Serbian players will be mad, and if they treat Kosovo as a part of Serbia, Albanian/Kosovar pepele will be mad.

And that guy (brainiac) explaining the conflict of Kosovo is total Serbian angled propaganda that lacks both historical and modern sources.

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MandelSoft wrote:
15 Jun 2019 20:34
Let me keep this brief here.

We have made it clear on several occasions in this very topic that we don't take sides. We do not proliferate ourselves as either pro-Serbian or pro-Kosovo. You argue that by not making Kosovo, we appease the Serbians and are therefore pro-Serbian, but with the same facts you could argue that we are pro-Kosovo by recognising that this region is not really part of Serbia and that we avoid it, because we also mention that we don't want to make it as a part of Serbia either. Making Kosovo as its own state or making Kosovo as a part of Serbia would lead to the fury of either side.

But avoiding it? That only leads to mere disappointment. It's too bad, and we don't like that we have no other viable option than to avoid this region, but as long as the controversy remains, the only option for us is to do nothing and don't appease or upset either party. It's the least "bad" option of them all...

And let this be the end of it! We have repeated ourselves enough already on this matter. If the discussion continues, this topic will be locked again.


EDIT: The topic linked in the posts above is exactly the reason why we expect a backlash either way when we would build that region, regardless if we recognise it as Kosovo or not. We have reason to believe that it would get much worse if we did that, and we just don't want to invoke such drama...
What brainiac wrote in that topic is pure propaganda .

I will start a thread answering his false arguments.
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