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09 Oct 2018 17:20

Hello guys!

So Oregon has been released (yay!) and SCS are likely mid-development for at least one state as we speak. Since speculation is fun, I made a map to speculate what roads will be likely in an Oregon expansion, and now I am extending it to future DLC's. Right now it has only Utah on it, but I am planning on adding Washington speculation in the next couple of days/weeks. (I am not convinced that Washington will be next, but there is enough evidence pointing to it that I'd call it a toss up.

So here's the map:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1uglqx ... sp=sharing

The blue roads and towns are the ones that are available to players upon purchasing the game (I don't care if Arizona is a DLC, I didn't have to pay more than the base cost to get it).

Orange roads are the paid DLC

While we don't have any confirmed roads or towns on the map yet (except maybe US 101 into Washington), a dark red is used to show routes and towns that have been Explicitly mentioned by official, not leaked, SCS resources.

Black roads are very likely places to be included, with lighter shades of grey showing less and less likely locations

And new to this version (since we already have done a round of speculation) is the "False Predictions" tab. This will be off by default, but when turned on, it will show roads I got wrong in purple, with darker purple equating to roads we thought would be more likely.

Now let us start [s]a debate over which state is next before SCS makes some kinda announcement[/s] speculating!

Just going to quote all the replies I got when I accidentally posted this in the "Which state after Oregon" poll.
Shiva wrote:
08 Oct 2018 07:18
Seattle, Yakima and Spokane, those I would put on the Very likely Washington cities.
I-82, US 92 betwen Yakima and Oregon border.

US 26? I would not yet count that out of future Oregon updates. Clifton was added to Arizona.
bigfoot31415926 wrote:
08 Oct 2018 14:40
Up until recently, I was convinced Utah and Washington would be the next 2 states. However, someone pointed out that on https://americantrucksimulator.com/ the map has Utah and Idaho outlined and Washington is not. This would also make sense because Utah and Idaho are the last 2 states that would connect directly to the "base" map.

Speculating about mapping Idaho. Obviously they will have I-84 and I-15 in southern Idaho with the likely cities being Boise, Twin Falls, Pocatello, and Idaho Falls. They would then probably continue US-95 all the way up and at least connect it to I-90 and maybe all the way to Canadian border and populate it with some of the smaller towns along the way, maybe New Meadows, Lewistown, Coeur d'Alene, Sandpoint and Eastport. And finally, maybe extend US-93 past Twin Falls and pick up some small towns like Sun Valley, Challis and Salmon.

(I'm from Ohio and never been to Idaho, so all speculation on my part is from studying Google Maps. And it's sometimes hard to tell which towns are significant or historically important by looking at a map. Hopefully, someone with more intricate knowledge of Idaho can chime in and correct me if I'm wrong) :D
Shiva wrote:
08 Oct 2018 17:49
I found that map bigfoot31415926.
I'll continue to lean on the Wahington, Utah line, until proven wrong :)
If they would share bits of Idaho, that would be a nice bonus :)

Idaho stats, largest cities and towns:
1 Boise
2 Meridian
3 Nampa
4 Idaho Falls
5 Pocatello
6 Caldwell
7 Coeur d'Alene
8 Twin Falls
9 Post Falls
10 Lewiston

On Google Maps it is as this: Idaho city run. Alternative view.
Boise, Meridian, Nampa and Caldwell very close to each other.
So possibly Boise and maybe Nampa?
Idaho Falls and Pocatello.
Maybe Coeur d'Alene, but it is very close to Spokane. And Post Falls is even closer, so my bet is that PF will NOT be in.
Twin Falls.
Lewiston, it is grayish on the usa.dds from 1.32Beta. I guess it will be in at latest when Idaho gets in.

So... Boise/Nampa, Idaho Falls, Pocatello, Coeur d'Alene, Twin Falls, Lewiston.

Smaller possible places:
Dubois "reststop + fuel" Farming.
Salmon, and/or Challis "fuel/sleep" Timber
McCall if ID-55, if not, then US 95 and New Meadows. "fuel/sleep"
Ashton "fuel/sleep", too close to Idaho Falls? US 20 towards West Yellowstone, Montana.
Montpelier "fuel/sleep"

Example, without Montpelier.

I totally forgot Bonners Ferry in northernmost Idaho! Three Mile Station truck stop, just north of it.
CptCaribbean wrote:
08 Oct 2018 21:29
Going a little bit off-topic now, what I was not expecting is that SCS hasn't included U.S.26 starting in U.S.101, crossing Portland and joining U.S.20 in Vale. It's a quite important route, I guess there is space for adding it and now between U.S.395 and U.S.97 there's a huge gap. It may be included in a future version. At least by now we're getting a bit of it between Mt. Vernon and John Day.
Shiva wrote:
08 Oct 2018 22:38
CptCaribbean, regarding that road. I would not be surprised if they add it someday.
But currently there ain't any good connections, except the stretch you mentioned.
And Oregon Route 126, east from Redmond? that connects to US 26. "North of Bend".
In Portland easiest atm, would be either to extend I-205 south, until it unites with US 26.
Or use Exit 17 on I-84 and connect the road going south to US 26.
Vale, west of Ontario, there a connection would have to be added.

But US 26 between US 101 and Portland, that I would bet on not coming. By SCS.
Regarding the list of towns in Idaho, I'm willing to bet that some of the smaller towns you mentioned make it in as actual cities. SCS didn't include Anaheim California despite the fact it has 350,000 people in it and an NHL team, but they included Hornbrook with its amazing 248 people as of last census. (It probably grew in the last eight years, but no way it has more than 1,000 people in it).
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09 Oct 2018 21:52

Regarding Idaho.
Some places already mentioned and others not, in a google maps format. Cities/Towns, villages.
Mountain Home, truck stop, shops etc. Bad, close to Boise. Good, south of I-84.
Grangeville, truck stop, sawmill
Arco, fuel
Carey, fuel

Hornbrook, ingame yes, sort of. Inaccurate.
Weed, that place could had some delivery places, tbh.
Anaheim, greater Los Angeles area.
And due to that, I have no clue if there will be a greater Seattle or how they will do it in Washington.
But Los Angeles, it can still be the consequenses of the pre rezise map. Altho, I would have San Bernardino added, rather than Anaheim.

I'll have a bit fun and add some possible Montana locations, before I go and sleep.
Map 1, map 2.
Sweet Grass, Shelby, Eureka, Kalispell, Missoula, Butte, Bozeman, Billings, Miles City, Glendive, Culbertson*, Wolf Point, Glasgow*, Malta, Havre, Great Falls, Helena, Dillon, West Yellowstone.
Culbertson and Glasgow least likely of the mentioned.

Honorary mention to map 3.
White Sulphur Springs, Harlowton, Lewistown, Roundup and Broadus.
With Broados as most likely of these 5

Wait, what was the question again?
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10 Oct 2018 18:10

Okay Moh (Senior Tester for SCS) in the steam discussions made a good point. It would be next to impossible for 2 teams to work on states that adjoin (the sectors would overlap and it'd get messy). That pretty much rules out Idaho on the list of next DLC because it touches Washington and Utah the other prime DLC candidates at the moments. That means either the 2 teams will work on Washington and Utah, or 1 team will start work on either Washington OR Utah, and the 2nd team will start working on Texas (since that's gonna take a fair amount of time and effort).

My current speculation: Utah will be the next state released because it connects to 2 base states and is outlined on the map mentioned in my previous post.

And yes, Ottdog, Speculation is fun! :)

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11 Oct 2018 10:06

Sector overlapping, well, that depends where the sectors are. Not checked usa map in editor for a while.

If they will not do 2 DLC's bordering each other, then I'll a bit reorder my old list:
After Oregon, it could be:
Washinton, Utah.
Colorado, Idaho.
Wyoming, Montana.

Washington, Utah.
Idaho, Colorado.
Wyoming, Texas+Oklahoma.
Montana, Kansas+Nebraska.
Arkansas+Mississippi+Lousiana, North+South Dakota.
Alabama+Georgia+Florida, Iowa+Illinois+Missouri.
Minnesota+Wisconsin. Tennessee+South+North Carolina
For example.

+ = States bundled to a single DLC.

One way to go around the sector trouble, would be to do work on the adjoining/shared sectors and then work from there.

A Texas DLC would be BIG! Even bigger with Texas + Oklahoma
Texas itself: 268,586sq mile (696,241km2)
Oklahoma: 69,899sq mile (181,040km2)
TX+OK: 338,485sq mile (877,281km2)

Usual DLC size has been somewhere between:
New Mexico: 121,590sq mile (314,917km2)
Oregon: 98,378 sq mile (254,799km2)

IF they do a Texas+Oklahoma DLC, then it could sort of be semi standalone? if possible?

California: 163,696sq mile ( 423,972km2)
Nevada: 110,572sq mile ( 286,380km2)
ATS Base: 274,268sq mile (710,352km2)
Arizona: 113,990sq mile (295,234km2) free DLC
ATS+AZ: 388,258sq mile (1005,586km2)

Comparing ATS+AZ base to Texas+Oklahoma:
ATS+AZ: 388,258sq mile (1005,586km2)
TX+OK: 338,485sq mile (877,281km2)
Difference: 49,773sq mile (128,305km2). ATS+AZ a little bit bigger.

Actually.... they could almost add Louisiana too, to Texas+Oklahoma.
Louisiana: 52,378sq mi (135,382 km2)

However Texas is done, it should cost way more than a regular DLC.
ATS DLC's so far been around 12€. Texas, even without OK and LA, would for me, be cheap if it was priced at 24€
I would be more than ready to pay +36€ for TX+OK+LA combo.
Even when ATS release price was and still is 20€.
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12 Oct 2018 03:42

Unfortunately, I don't think we are close to getting state bundles. The problem is while the states do get smaller as we move east, they do so gradually, not a sudden drop. So, the question, we have to ask ourselves is "When is a state too small to be released by itself?"

Just for argument's sake. Let's say the 20 largest states should be released by themselves. That means there are 13 more states I could see SCS releasing as single states (State's size rank): Washington (18th), Idaho (14th), Utah (13th), Montana (4th), Wyoming (10th), Colorado (8th), North Dakota (19th), South Dakota (17th), Nebraska (16th), Kansas (15th), Oklahoma (20th), Texas (2nd) and Minnesota (12th). All of these states are at least 70% the size of Oregon which is the smallest released state so far.

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12 Oct 2018 10:40

Nope, we are not close to getting state bundles yet.
Unless they start to do very big map DLC's.

I would not be surprised if Washington DLC would be their smallest continental USA map DLC. I could be way wrong too.
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