Heavy Cargo DLC collides with standard bridge height.

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metpei
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15 May 2017 12:01

Somebody could do mod for this: https://buy.garmin.com/en-GB/GB/p/162983 :D
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15 May 2017 17:04

The thing about the Heavy Cargo DLC is that it is not every realistic. Normally there is a lot of red tape involved if your want to transport a load that is heavier (>40T), longer (>18m) or wider (> 2.5m) than regulations allow. In order to get a permit, you need to provide the route in advance and include details like axle weight/pressure, outer train dimensions (length, width and height). You also need to 'proof' that the transport can safely pass all bridges, viaducts, on- and off ramps and avoid populated areas. Your also need a 'convoy' coordinator and in some (rare) instances you also need to ask for a police escort. The last one is usually only required if the load is wider than 3 meters and take up multiple lanes and you need to cross densely populated areas and is also different per country and sometimes even per region.

The company I work for has a client that sometimes need to transport nuclear materials from power plants to a storage facility. While they take the same route pretty much every time, every trip takes about 6 weeks to acquire all the necessary permits for the planned route. Because the planning part is not in the game, you (as the driver) as not properly aware what obstacles you need to avoid.

But it is a bit the same as with the liftable trailer axles. At this point the game (both ETS2 and ATS) have absolutely no use for it. Trailers have multiple axles to distribute the weight over multiple axles and thereby decrease the weight (load) per axle (pressure per square inch). Most European countries have a limit of 11.5 tons per axle and a total train weight of 40 tons. However, at no point in the game the weight of the trailer changes and as such there is no need to drop or raise one or more trailer axles. It would be different if you would drive to one company to pickup a flatbed trailer and drive to another company to actually 'load' the trailer. Or that you have a 40ft container trailer, drive to one of the harbors where a container crane lifts the container from the trailer and you have to pickup another trailer somewhere else. However when the trailer is empty, driving with 3 or 4 axles causes extra wear to the tires, but it also increases friction both during acceleration and in corners which increases fuel consumption.

Loading and unloading trailer is part of the job for the majority to truck drivers as they are responsible for balancing the load in the trailer, but to secure the cargo so it doesn't shift during the ride. That is also why fluid containers usually have multiple compartments to avoid that the fluids suddenly move one one side and topple over the trailer.

However as a driver you need to be aware of your surroundings and during a heavy cargo job slow down if you're nearing an obstacle such as a bridge. At all times you need to be ready to stop at any time and evaluate the situation. You, as the driver as responsible for the truck and it's cargo. So if you are nearing a bridge, be prepared to stop and turn around a find another route. Normally finding a suitable route is part of the dispatchers job, but in the game you also have the role of dispatcher..

I don't think that ProMods should alter any bridges because avoiding certain objects brings a bit of realism to the game.
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15 May 2017 19:21

You do realise this is trucking game that focus on driving?! RL got lots of issues and regulations and paper work and byrocracy and stuff that don't belong to game. Game suppose to have fun and all byrocracy is far from fun.

We have 48t max to semitrucks (real full trucks 76t) and it's rising to 52t about in a year. Over 40t need 6 axle semitruck6 trailer combo, so 4 axle trucks are for special cargoes only and great addition to game. Part of gamers maybe are happy with 4x2 truck and trailer with 10t load driving flat summer asphalt with italian dancing shues on foot even winter, but I'm not. Heavy trucking with very difficult environment is my game.

PM low bridges are unfortunate issue. When they started anyone couldn't imagine that few years later comes high cargo jobs in game. Low bridges are fine if they are outside main road network and player have options to take different routes, but even PM is huge map addition, there isn't enough alternative routes, yet. I hope that PM team put whole team effort here now and look options what's best, addon more routes or make new replacing bridges. Both plans needs lots of hard work and takes lots of time from expanding PM.
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15 May 2017 20:29

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This Bridge is too low für the 34 Tonnes cable drum.

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Vabisdriver
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16 May 2017 04:09

The biggest one is the Train right?
After my current Trip to poland with a Tube i steal a trailer and look too...

But a little mind playing.. We Talk about the low Bridges.. We Got several Tunnels too(large ones and I think smaller ones too - norway to the quarry)what about those - also a Problem?
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16 May 2017 04:15

zyprexia wrote:
15 May 2017 17:04
At no point in the game the weight of the trailer changes and as such there is no need to drop or raise one or more trailer axles.
The weight of a trailer doesn't change, but there are loads in ETS2 that are less than 9t gross weight and therefore can be legally carried with the liftable axle up.
It does have an effect too, tyre damage accumulates 1/3rd slower with it up.
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BGrem
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16 May 2017 11:06

sorry i'dont have screenshot or logs but i can confirm some bridges seems to be too low for heavy cargoes (in my case was a 40ton driller)

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16 May 2017 14:23

Yes, we know about it. Thanks for new spots.
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zyprexia
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17 May 2017 11:05

I forgot to point out that trucking GPS devices have additional road preferences than regular GPS devices.
Trucking GPS devices allow you to enter your axle weight, maximum width and maximum height similar that you can prefer to avoid toll roads.

The GPS will automatically try to calculate the correct route and it will also take into account trucking best practices (use primary and secondary is possible, avoid residential areas, etc).

However, even the GPS can calculate an incorrect route if the road data the GPS uses is temporary invalid due to road work. That is why trucks that are exceeding normal regulations have convoy vehicles that explore the route in real time. They warn the driver about low bridges and the driver will approach the bridge in a very slow pace so that he can stop if the clearance is too small.

I, for one, like to be surprised by sudden obstacles. Keep things interesting.. I am a bit dissapointed into the Heavy Cargo DLC to be honest. I have not seen one extra wide load, it's just more weight, but than again, that is what the DLC title suggests..
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19 May 2017 18:51

Wasn't there already a thread for this?
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