scanialoverr wrote:From a person like you Scul I expected better. Your are acting like I child.
Grow up!
I'm out.
And you guys are calling us names and violate the rules you've set yourself. That doesn't gain you respect either...
Seriously, people on the SCS forums call us "elitist modders" in a negative sense. As if we say that our mod is the only way. However, we expressed our worries about the unlocker tool and that the attitude to stop piracy isn't there, but implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) encouraged, which in turn increases the distrust between mod creators and other members (especially the ones who use this tool). This could have been toned down long ago by locking the whole discussion thread earlier and tell both sides to calm down. Instead, the flame war went on and even the moderators added more coal on the fire, instead of, you know, make the discussion more
moderate. I've tried to come to a middle ground, a compromise, something to end the flame war, but my efforts have been turned down and burried under loads of hateful comments.
Within the past few weeks, I've seen moderators and users alike breach rule 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5 of the SCS website:
[1.2] Respect each other even when you have differing opinions. Insulting and personal attacks are strictly forbidden.
[1.3] Do NOT harass, bully or stalk anyone. No matter what their history has been on these forums or elsewhere, treat them neutrally and respectfully.
[1.4] Trolling, flaming, flame baiting, accusing or other nefarious posts are not allowed. There's a fine line between joking and trolling/flaming/flame baiting, make sure you consider how your joke can be perceived.
[1.5] Remember that SCS Software, the admins and the moderators are all users of these forums. Treat them all with the same respect as any other user.
Rule 1.2: Several members were expression their worries about the tool. They get called names by other members, and even some moderators. Which led the "defending members" to call names too. This is why rule 1.2 is there, because if one starts, everyone else will follow. That this rule has not been enforced completely blows my mind.
Rule 1.3: Members were ridiculed based upon their standpoint and sneered away with sarcasm. This is never good.
Rule 1.4: The Unlocker tool is a flame bait and Sniper (the creator of the tool) knows it. Yet, the moderators still allowed this to happen and took very long to step in to tone down the discussion.
Rule 1.5: I don't know what falls under your definition of respect, but I've seen pretty low standards the past few days at the SCS forums that were accepted (see points above).
If you won't follow your own rules, why should we follow the rules then? Because you have the power and we haven't? That smells like an abuse of your position, that your position gives you the privelige to disobey your own rules, something that I've never seen on other websites. Personal wrath, clique formation, downplaying people who don't agree with you and blatant censorship seems to be commonplace at the SCS forums. You may call use elitists, but you show elitist characteristics of your own too.
I really felt under attack at the SCS forums and knowing that there was no-one to stop these attacks, that made me scared and frustrated. And therefore, I decided not to be part of that community anymore.
(By the way, it was not a smart move to delete the ProMods thread before setting an ultimatum; you had driven us in a position where we had nothing to lose.)
Bottom line: this whole divide and toxic discussion could've easily prevented if the moderators on the SCS forum stepped in much earlier to calm down both parties. But the opposite happened.