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Carlton2049
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29 Jul 2024 16:38

You are not banned for saying for "lol" after you have got a verbal warning. You are banned for violating a 2.x rule on our Discord server which should be Banned Permanently with No Warning.
Volleybal4life's message seemed to indicate I was only warned for posting the mod link and not banned for it, so I took it that way.
We gave you a chance, but it seems that you didn't take that chance. You didn't even say a "sorry" which I think I would say if I have been warned by the rule. Or I would even express my gratitude because I have been warned for the rule which should be a permanent ban instead.
Considering these factors:
1: It is a paid mod link. It is not a scam, threat, insult, personal attack, inappropriate content, inappropriate comment (transphobic, homophobic, racist, sexist), or doxing of someone's personal information.
2: Posting the mod link does not put anyone on the ProMods team or its owners/founders at legal liability/risk. No company and no one will sue ProMods because I posted a paid mod link in the server.
3: I am not the mod creator, I had no involvement with its creation, I am not friends with the creator, and I dont gain anything in anyway at all for linking someone to the mod.
4: I only posted the mod link once because someone asked me for it. I didn't post it to promote the mod or because I wanted people to buy the mod, and I didnt spam/post multiple times.
5: I was not a "known problem" to the server, in the multiple years I was in the server I caused very few or no issues.

Considering the above, I think not immediately perma banning me is the bare minimum anyone could have done to be reasonable. It is a harmless mod link, no one was or would ever be effected or offended.
In all, the rule is what you have read, check and understand when you joined the server. I, as a witness, don't think there is anything wrong with this ban.
With how long the server rule list is, I highly doubt anyone actually reads it, I know I didn't. At most I quickly looked through it once.

Something I've learned with owning and moderating a couple servers is that no one cares to read the rule list. You're better off with a very short list of 5 to 10 rules that some people might read, versus a huge list that rivals the ToS on some websites, which definitely no one will take the time to read.

People aren't likely to remember random quirky rules like this that only exist in a single server they're in, whereas any decent server expects its members to not post inappropriate content so it is a much easier rule to follow because it is so common.

In my opinion the rule about promoting paid content does not sound like it is even aimed at this type of situation, but actual promoting of paid content. Examples: Creating a forum thread on this forum about a paid mod, posting a paid mod link in the mod showcase channel, or saying something in a random text channel like "Hey, check out the mod I just released *insert link*".

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29 Jul 2024 17:07

Yeah it is true that you were warned first about the paid mod link. But Paid mods are a violation of rule 2.09. Promotion of commercial products, services and websites. And 2.x rules are Severe permanent bannable offences, with no warning like it's written in the rules.

So in Theory, I should have banned you in the first place, but I decided to play nice guy and just warned you for it. Then you just made the fun of it and said lol, which basically said to me that you don't care about the rules, thus I actually changed my mind and banned you.
And while you may have been not negatively before doesn't mean you can't be banned for a rule violation especially when it is in the severe category.
Yes, someone asked you to post the link, but you could have told them that it is a paid mod and post him the link via DM instead of the server.

Also, the rules are there to be read, it doesn't matter how long they are, if someone doesn't read the rules in it entirety then it wont make them immune to any punishments.
In RL you have much more laws which is essentially the same, but when you rob a store then you can't just say to the police that you didn't know that this is a crime and get out without consequences.
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31 Jul 2024 18:25

Paid mods are a violation of rule 2.09. Promotion of commercial products, services and websites. And 2.x rules are Severe permanent bannable offences, with no warning like it's written in the rules.
I understand what the rule is, what I don't understand is how ProMods or anyone connected to ProMods could ever be negatively effected by a paid mod link being sent in a Discord server. With SCS and their platforms I totally understand it because they have licenses with various companies. For example, Scania would probably be very unhappy to find a paid truck mod hosted on the SCS forums. But as far as I know ProMods has no license deals with any companies, except for maybe SCS themselves or companies involved with keeping this website running.

If ProMods was ever to face any trouble, it would likely be for a brand name/logo used on one of the maps, not a paid mod link being sent in a Discord server.
Also, the rules are there to be read, it doesn't matter how long they are, if someone doesn't read the rules in it entirety then it wont make them immune to any punishments.
The point is not that failing to read rules makes someone immune (it doesn't), but that having a long list of rules which includes random rules that no other server has causes problems for everyone. A short and simple rule list makes things easier for everyone.
In RL you have much more laws which is essentially the same, but when you rob a store then you can't just say to the police that you didn't know that this is a crime and get out without consequences.
But in real life most laws are a obvious given, basic human decency says you should not rob, steal, vandalize, hurt others, etc, etc. Not sending paid mod links in a Discord server is not really a "obvious given" when it effects no one, and basically only one server enforces such a thing.

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01 Aug 2024 00:53

Carlton2049 wrote:
31 Jul 2024 18:25
Paid mods are a violation of rule 2.09. Promotion of commercial products, services and websites. And 2.x rules are Severe permanent bannable offences, with no warning like it's written in the rules.
I understand what the rule is, what I don't understand is how ProMods or anyone connected to ProMods could ever be negatively effected by a paid mod link being sent in a Discord server. With SCS and their platforms I totally understand it because they have licenses with various companies. For example, Scania would probably be very unhappy to find a paid truck mod hosted on the SCS forums. But as far as I know ProMods has no license deals with any companies, except for maybe SCS themselves or companies involved with keeping this website running.
Paid mods are against SCS EULA and because we cooperate closely with SCS (some of our ProMods developers are SCS staff members) we follow their lead on the ToS
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01 Aug 2024 06:25

Carlton2049 wrote:
31 Jul 2024 18:25
But in real life most laws are a obvious given, basic human decency says you should not rob, steal, vandalize, hurt others, etc, etc. Not sending paid mod links in a Discord server is not really a "obvious given" when it effects no one, and basically only one server enforces such a thing.
And so are our rules. Our rules are 'obvious given' too. And they are open to the public to read them.
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02 Aug 2024 19:22

Because we cooperate closely with SCS (some of our ProMods developers are SCS staff members) we follow their lead on the ToS
That does makes sense.
And so are our rules. Our rules are 'obvious given' too.
If one out of 100 different persons/companies/organiations (Or anything) has a rule that none of the other 99 have, how is that rule an obvious given for everyone? How do you expect everyone to "just know" about something when only one bothers to have it?

If a majority of servers in the community had the rule then yes it would be reasonable to call that rule an "obvious given", but a large majority don't.

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06 Aug 2024 14:02

GingerArmy1302 wrote:
04 Jun 2024 18:43
Discord username: martin_v8
Ban date: Wed 29th May

I would like to officially request a review and appeal my ban.

As previously stated above I have already acknowledged my behaviour on the server on this particular day was unacceptable and of course I understand why I did get banned. I have already apologised to the staff member in question and I can This type of behaviour will not happen again and I will read/accept and follow ALL server rules.

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Martin V
Can i please kindly ask for another review regarding my Ban?

1) I acknowledge that my behaviour which got me banned in the first place was not acceptable
2) I acknowledge the fact that I did receive a warning before the ban (although I do believe not enough enough time was given in between these)
3) I acknowledge the fact you want your discord server to be a nice safe environment for all members where everybody is kind and care to each other!
4) I agree that if this Appeal is approved, i will READ all rules & accept them
5) I acknowledge that I will likely be closely monitored and any further breaches of Rules will result in an immediate permanent Ban with no option for appeal

I hope to be given another chance, I would also like to point out before this occasion I have never received any previous warning about violation of rules. This was a 1 off, i accept it, i Apologised & have always shown remorse.

I look forward to a response.

Kind Regards

Martin V

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14 Sep 2024 10:19

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